Thursday, December 25, 2003

athiest- agnostic- and the 12 steps- Recovery in general

One of the most striking things I've found in my research of stuff to put on the web [which is to say stuff
I've found online, to put on my site(s)] is the amount of controversy regarding what path to recovery is...
the only way?
... if you don't do X, Y or Z you aren't recovered...

what is the definition of 'Recovered'

At what point are you 'cured'?

define sick

Ok what does Webster's Dictionary say about some of these terms:


Date: 1869
: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (as God) is unknown and prob. unknowable; broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god

Apparently the root word is Greek and means unknowable



Date: 1571
: one who denies the existence of God



"The first requirement is that we be convinced
that any life run on self-will can hardly be a success.
On that basis we are almost always in collision
with something or somebody,
even though our motives are good.
Most people try to live by self-propulsion.
Each person is like an actor
who wants to run the whole show;
is forever trying to arrange the lights, the ballet, the scenery
and the rest of the players in his own way.
If his arrangements would only stay put,
if only people would do as he wished,
the show would be great.
Everybody, including himself, would be pleased.
Life would be wonderful."
c.1976AAWS, Alcoholics Anonymous, pp. 60-1

more later...
Oh yeah, Merry Christmas, I almost forgot
My kids are grown now- they're spending Christmas with their friends
My ex lost her townhouse, we no longer (my family) have a central place to
meet for holidays... hmm, I must do something about that

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